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surer is right, john boehner would have cut a deal. but he couldn't, because at the end of the day, had he done so, his own house republicans would have risen up in mutiny. and he would have lost the speakership. whether mitch mcconnell and more adult members of the members the of the senator can put pressure on the house. if they can't change these fundamental dynamics we're headed in the same direction. >> i think mitch mcconnell is the problem because he's headed for re-election. but i think one of the interesting things that boehner said, is this your moment now, mr. president, now leave. that's both the reality and a little bit of trying to pass the buck. but it's the truth. it is going to be up to the president to go into the negotiations and to lead, and continue to listen and find areas where compromise can be built. it is on his shoulders. >> he has to lead publicly as well. >> yes. >> to sell it? >> he has to sell it. you know, there are a couple -- there aren't a lot of republicans i think that play in regards to public pres
surer is right, john boehner would have cut a deal. but he couldn't, because at the end of the day, had he done so, his own house republicans would have risen up in mutiny. and he would have lost the speakership. whether mitch mcconnell and more adult members of the members the of the senator can put pressure on the house. if they can't change these fundamental dynamics we're headed in the same direction. >> i think mitch mcconnell is the problem because he's headed for re-election. but i...
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that is boehner's bottom line he can't move off of it. he has the get something real on spending. >> bret: that is what republicans never saw in hardcore, on papeer the last negotiations. >> house republicans are skeptical they'll see anything significant about it now or the short term. what is more likely is a short-term compromise and revisit broader tax reform, sometime down the line. they are trying to get out in front of what they see is inevitable. they want to avoid the tax rate that. they see is punitive. and so they are trying to get ahead of that. being open and signaling publicly, celebrateing they're open to additional revenues they come without increases in rates. i don't know if it will end up in a compromise but they will incyst on seeing more from the white house. >> the first back and forth, though, promising? >> it is. each side could have held ground and gone to negotiations without having concedeed anything. boehner has been speaking about revenues and obama has implying he could drop the rates issue to make it revenue
that is boehner's bottom line he can't move off of it. he has the get something real on spending. >> bret: that is what republicans never saw in hardcore, on papeer the last negotiations. >> house republicans are skeptical they'll see anything significant about it now or the short term. what is more likely is a short-term compromise and revisit broader tax reform, sometime down the line. they are trying to get out in front of what they see is inevitable. they want to avoid the tax...
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how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half who voted democratic and hatch live in hollywood. >> although tom price who is running to lead the house republican conference said sunday he is open to closing some tax loopholes, he did buck boehner on the issue of health care. >> question, do most house republicans, do you agree with speaker boehner that repeal of obama care with this election, with his re-election, is debt? >> we're not opposed to the president's health care law because of the election. we're opposed because it's bad policy and
how much does boehner speak for his conference, by the way? how much leeway does he have to cut a deal that might anger some conservatives? this weekend there were signs of softening among conservatives on the issue of taxes. here is "the weekly standard questions bill kristol sunday. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000, make it a million....
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that's the president, and that's speaker boehner. and what i think is best for all of us to do is to talk about those areas of commonality, to tremendously support these negotiations, because when you look at the time frame, alex, the only way we're going to get to a solution by year end is if the president and speaker boehner come to an agreement, because i believe anything they agree to is something that will pass the senate. so it's really the house, and the president. and it's time for both of them to step up and show the kind of leadership this nation needs to solve that problem. >> how about this? first of all, do you believe we will come to a resolution by the end of this year? and as you know, speaker boehner supports a stopgap measure that would at least buy time until january when the new congress could take up these bigger ticket items? >> yeah. >> i know that their suggestion is kicking the can down the road. but do you support a two-step process? >> i don't. look, alex. we all know what the issues are. we've had two dry
that's the president, and that's speaker boehner. and what i think is best for all of us to do is to talk about those areas of commonality, to tremendously support these negotiations, because when you look at the time frame, alex, the only way we're going to get to a solution by year end is if the president and speaker boehner come to an agreement, because i believe anything they agree to is something that will pass the senate. so it's really the house, and the president. and it's time for both...
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and then if you watched them, john boehner, speaker boehner looked like a defeated man. it was like saying okay, we are going to come to the table with you. and president obama, despite speaking about compromised, it wasn't a very comprise-y style of speech. it was clear that he knew he had the leverage. he wasn't going to accept anything that didn't end with taxes being part of the final solution here. >> well, jonathan capeheart, boehner knows that the pressure is all on him. the senate has already passed a bill that does what the president wants to do in taxation. it reduces the taxation below the top rates and the house can either pass that bill or not pass it. and if they don't pass it, what will happen in terms of january 1st ratgoing up is on them. >> it's on them. the president said in his remarks today that you know, his plan's not written in stone. the one he campaigned on. he's willing to hear any good idea from anyone. but it's unclear whether john boehner is going to be able to come to the table with an alternative idea that they can hammer out in time for a
and then if you watched them, john boehner, speaker boehner looked like a defeated man. it was like saying okay, we are going to come to the table with you. and president obama, despite speaking about compromised, it wasn't a very comprise-y style of speech. it was clear that he knew he had the leverage. he wasn't going to accept anything that didn't end with taxes being part of the final solution here. >> well, jonathan capeheart, boehner knows that the pressure is all on him. the senate...
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i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> let me turn to senator schumer on this point. >> so you have to approach both sides of it. >> let me turn to senator schumer. i'm going to ask you the same question. if the mandate is compromised, what do democrats have to be prepared to accept as a painful outcome in order to achieve compromise? >> well, i agree with you, the mandate is compromise. that's why we have a divided house and senate. and i think if the house stands for anything it's cut government spending, as tom coburn said, and i think we're going to have to do more of it. we hear
i think you heard john boehner say that already. we've had votes in the senate where we've actually gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. and i think the vast majority of americans agree with that. the question is how do you do that and how do you allow taxes to rise at the same time you fix the real problem? and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively. not just under this administration, under republican administration....
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look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so, the real question is, whether he's able to go back to that tea party link and say what armstrong just said, work with the president, some degree on compromise on taxes and raising revenues. i think it's an open question whether he can do that and whether he can succeed in doing that. >> gentlemen, thanks so much. i appreciate your time today. >>> stick around. up next, i got actor and activist ally sheedy waiting in the wings. she'll be with me in a second. >>> welcome back. tens of thousands are still in the dark after hurricane sandy. power crews in new york and new j
look at speaker boehner, he's showing that we need to show leadership. we have to work with the president. they have the message and they'll respond appropriately and you'll see. >> that's very optimistic. i think, i degree with armstrong, the next few weeks whether they got the message or not. we have this big issue coming up with all of these fiscal issues and boehner a year and a half ago, when this came up the last time, he was basically whipped by the tea party wing of his party. so,...
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therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he did when this negotiation took place lose yearlastyear. does he have the political strength because his party lost, can he look eric cantor in the eye and other republican leaders in the eye and say we have no choice but to cut a deal that is now on the president's terms? >> i think the strongest bargaining level he has is not so much that the republicans lost the election but beginning january 1st tax rates do go up particularly on the wealthy automatically. that's when the bush tax cut is basically terminated. the president has that bargaining power. essentially in washington d
therefore they're not going to go along--even if boehner wants them to go along. both sides the president and democrats on one side, boehner and the republicans are basically maneuvering for bargaining position for what is going to be a long-term negotiation. >> eliot: they're just shadow boxing, i think that's exactly right. i wonder and i'm trying to assess--i have no knowledge of what goes on inside the republican party but i'm trying to discern if boehner has more strength now than he...
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i think one of the difficulties is speaker boehner is in a tough spot. he's got about a third of his caucus that ran as tea party candidates or tea party supported and part of their agenda was no compromise. you're finding out that you can't govern that way and so he's got to figure out a way to bring them along as he deals with the president on the other side. but i think it can be done. there is good faith and goodwill that make it possible even when there is strong disagreement. >> so then as it pertains to boehner, do you feel like he is receiving greater pressure from the caucuses, as you just described, or greater pressure from the electorate? because in boehner's message on friday, he did say, quote, the american people re-elected a republican majority but at the same time, i guess you can't have it both ways because we are looking at electorate, a popular vote who wanted the president to be here, they want the two sides to work together? >> i think the election problem helps him in terms of his caucus, that is to say, it's a pretty sobering reali
i think one of the difficulties is speaker boehner is in a tough spot. he's got about a third of his caucus that ran as tea party candidates or tea party supported and part of their agenda was no compromise. you're finding out that you can't govern that way and so he's got to figure out a way to bring them along as he deals with the president on the other side. but i think it can be done. there is good faith and goodwill that make it possible even when there is strong disagreement. >> so...
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you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment. listen to this for example. >> the conservative followship has been pleased, exploited and lied to. >> we have the media elite in a sense on the right, they're making millions of dollars talking about all the incendiary aspects where we need solutions. >> if i were a donor, my biggest problem would be that i was laid to. the conservative media establishment, they lied to the donors. they lied to the base. they lied to everybody about how romney was ahead. >> now, victoria, can these more moderate voices at least moderate compared to the tea party, can they gain traction a
you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment....
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but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is actually our debt. we need to get this spending under control and get people back to work. >> i want to talk about this issue of taxes and tax rates and get you to respond to something from not exactly someone who is known as a liberal thinker here. take a listen. >> it won't kill the country if we raise tax as little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't know why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes for everyone below $250,000. make it $500,000, make it a million. the republican party is going to defend a bunch of millionaires, half of w
but expect it will be john boehner working along with the president. i'm sure mitch mcconnell will be very closely involved in the discussions with leader boehner. >> you don't believe a deal should come out of the senate and then be introduced in the house? >> well, i think the elections are over. we need to find solutions to help our country move forward in a positive direction and as the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs says the biggest threat to our national security is...
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boehner says he's open to that but not by raising the so-called tax rate. he's opened to that by eliminating tax loopholes and exemptions and generating tax revenue by an improved economy if the gdp goes up. people will be making more money, presumably, that's the theory. there's some maneuverability. i suspect the pressure is so great that they will get some kind of a deal. it may not be a permanent deal but maybe enough to kick the ball down the road and study major tax reform over the next year. >> and so the congressional budget office came out with a report last week that seems to give the republicans some political cover here because it suggests that there will be no big harm to the economy if the wealthy 1% are taxed at a higher rate. that said, i would assume -- and you'll have to weigh in here tha, that loopholes are still highly in play. >> you have to add up what all of the math shows and if you -- forget about the middle class. for wealthy people you say you can no longer deduct your home mortgage, your charitable contributions, some of your --
boehner says he's open to that but not by raising the so-called tax rate. he's opened to that by eliminating tax loopholes and exemptions and generating tax revenue by an improved economy if the gdp goes up. people will be making more money, presumably, that's the theory. there's some maneuverability. i suspect the pressure is so great that they will get some kind of a deal. it may not be a permanent deal but maybe enough to kick the ball down the road and study major tax reform over the next...
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we'll find out. >> rita, you had a one on one with john boehner. we'll be seeing him again on monday. it sounds at least like his tone is definitely changed. take a listen. >> i remain optimistic that we'll be able to find common ground. i'm the most reasonable and responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over. >> did you know that john boehner was the most reasonable person in washington? did you know that? >> no. you said that to me last week. he is sort of the adult in the room in a lot of cases. consider the fact that the members of congress who are freshman and sophomores in their first two terms, the highest number since world war ii, we've got all of these new people coming to washington who don't know how the town works, how the legislating process works and everybody sort of wants to fix everything right away and they wanted to fix it on their own terms. john boehner has been around for a long time and sort of knows how these deals work, how to stitch togethe
we'll find out. >> rita, you had a one on one with john boehner. we'll be seeing him again on monday. it sounds at least like his tone is definitely changed. take a listen. >> i remain optimistic that we'll be able to find common ground. i'm the most reasonable and responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over. >> did you know that john boehner was the most reasonable person in washington? did...
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boehner needs to get his party in line. they do have a divided party in the republican party with the tea partiers, and then, harry reid and president obama they need to come together. >> kelly: selena, angela lays it on the line particularly about the republicans dividing themselv themselves because of the tea party. can the prison hope to bri-- the president hope to bring them table. >> it's not the president's responsibility to bring the republicans out there. >> kelly: he almost has to an olive branch? >> he's passed a bill maintaining the tax cuts on those who make under $250,000 and it's on speaker john boehner at this point to simply pass the senate bill and if nothing is done it's on speaker john boehner not on the president, whether or not the tax cuts expire on january 1. >> but at the end of the day, it will be the american people that are hurt. yes, there is a bill in the senate, and yes, boehner could pass it, but he says that he does not want to raise taxes and the congressional budget office says, kelly, if w
boehner needs to get his party in line. they do have a divided party in the republican party with the tea partiers, and then, harry reid and president obama they need to come together. >> kelly: selena, angela lays it on the line particularly about the republicans dividing themselv themselves because of the tea party. can the prison hope to bri-- the president hope to bring them table. >> it's not the president's responsibility to bring the republicans out there. >> kelly: he...
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i think you heard john boehner say that. we've had votes in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. >> we need the republicans to do in 2012 what we did in 2010. we hear the mandate continue to cut spending, but they have to hear the than date real revenues not like dynamic scoring. >> and here's what happens if no agreement is reached before january 1st.bush tax rates expire. emergency unemployment benefits will end. the 2011 payroll tax holiday expires. and $984 billion in cuts will be triggered. joining me now, andy sullivan and sher a tupletts. what do you expect to come out of the meeting friday and will any real progress made? >> oh, no, but i think the optics will be important. there will beside by side getting their picture taken and i think this will reassure voters and most importantly investors that they are serious about the problem and they want t to get something done before the end of the year. they've pretty much gotten a free ride from the markets. everybody knew this was co
i think you heard john boehner say that. we've had votes in the senate where we've gotten rid of tax credits. i think that's a given. >> we need the republicans to do in 2012 what we did in 2010. we hear the mandate continue to cut spending, but they have to hear the than date real revenues not like dynamic scoring. >> and here's what happens if no agreement is reached before january 1st.bush tax rates expire. emergency unemployment benefits will end. the 2011 payroll tax holiday...
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you have to give boehner credit. he said new revenue. >> the president goes to sleep tonight he's thinking, i won. must be tremendous relief on his part. then he's thinking down the road, because he is thinking of the future, he's going wait a minute, i got two big risks. one i can't defend my philosophy which my base will hate and i will hate myself for it. michelle will hate me for it. and we need more money to do more things. the other fear is i'm going off the fiscal cliff, meaning i tried so hard to get my way that we screwed it up with the republicans like we did last august and nothing gets done and the economy tanks again for a second recession and i'm going down in history as a double failure. >> he can't let that happen. >> at some point he has to pull back from the paul krugmans of the world and the people on the far left, not far left but left, and say i'm president, you're a columnist. >> right. he has -- he's going to get a lot of flack from both his own left flank and the right. he has to accept that.
you have to give boehner credit. he said new revenue. >> the president goes to sleep tonight he's thinking, i won. must be tremendous relief on his part. then he's thinking down the road, because he is thinking of the future, he's going wait a minute, i got two big risks. one i can't defend my philosophy which my base will hate and i will hate myself for it. michelle will hate me for it. and we need more money to do more things. the other fear is i'm going off the fiscal cliff, meaning i...
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it's bajohn boehner. he needs to decide if he takes this country over the fiscal cliff by refusing to bend on tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. as of now, he still says that tax cuts are off the table. >> raising taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription given where our economy is. >> is it on the table to talk about it? >> i made clear yesterday that raising tax rates is unacceptable. and frankly, it couldn't even pass the house. >> boehner is boxing himself in by taking all tax increases off the table. e today the president repeated his intention to pass a bill keeping the tax cuts on anyone with income under $250,000. >> the senate has already passed a bill doing exactly this. so all we need is action from the house. i've got the pen. ready to sign the bill right away. i'm ready to do it. >> house republicans are going to have a lot of explaining to do if they don't pass tax cut extensions on the american people who need it the most. americans labor coalition made it clear it will s
it's bajohn boehner. he needs to decide if he takes this country over the fiscal cliff by refusing to bend on tax cuts for the wealthiest americans. as of now, he still says that tax cuts are off the table. >> raising taxes on small business people is the wrong prescription given where our economy is. >> is it on the table to talk about it? >> i made clear yesterday that raising tax rates is unacceptable. and frankly, it couldn't even pass the house. >> boehner is boxing...
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speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of that at this point would not be conducive to trying to come to an agreement with the white house. >> so the bottom line is that neither side has -- president at his news conference today or john boehner in his conference have gotten into the tough specifics about what's going to happen to taxes, what's going to happen in terms of spending cuts to try to get a big debt cut maybe up to $4 trillion to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the president is having leaders in both parties here at the white house on friday. that's when they should start hashing all this
speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of...
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as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a really great confidence signal to markets. now i don't think it's the solution for our short term growth problems because right now borrowing is cheap and we don't have a debt problem dragging on our economy right now but if we're looking at freeing up investment, freeing up hiring over the medium and long terms, absolutely the markets would love that. >> i think, also, the biggest negative domestically generated is the perpetual fights of brinksmanship, government shutdown, debt ceiling. a grand bargain that if it did nothing else put off those types of fights for the foreseeable future
as for speaker boehner i know they would personally like to make this time of deal. assuming the grand bargain happens, you can't get it done in a lame duck session, at least you move forward there, grand bargain, is this something that safbs the u.s. from this debt we've inflicted on ourselves for so long, where people stand up and notice it or would there still be the naysayers out there that say it still is not enough. what do you think? >> i think a true grand bargain would be a...
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. >> reporter: earlier in the day, speaker john boehner also sounded a kumbaya theme. >> i am proposing a fiscal cliff together to be averted >> reporter: that gets its name, because at the end of the year if congress does nothing, bush taxes expire, the payroll tax cut expires, emergency unemployment benefits end and $984 billion in automatic cuts and defense and domestic budgets are triggered. they estimate that would cause the economy to take a significant hit, raising unemployment to 9.1% by the end of next year. but the real political sticking point is taxes. the president called on congress to make tax cuts for people making less than $200,000, and making less than $250,000, and drew a line in the sand. >> i refuse to accept any approach that is not balanced. and on tuesday night, we found out the majority of americans agree with my approach. >> reporter: the president was referring to the tuesday exit poll which indicated nearly 60% of voters would support higher taxes on the wealthy.çó and while john boehner hinted at some taxes going up, he also listed some conditions. >> and
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. >> reporter: but john boehner has ball clubbed at that idea. it would take away his party's leverage in calf issues. >> there's a lot of issues on the table that need to be resolved. i laid out a reasonable framework where both parties can work together and i'm looking forward to meet at the white house on friday and begin that conversation. >> reporter: boehner and other top republicans have proposed eliminating deductions and loopholes that benefit the wealthy instead of raising their tax rates. >> we're not going to hurt our economy and make job creation more difficult, which is exactly what that plan would do. >> reporter: today the president argued closing loopholes alone won't do enough to cut the deficit. they will have that argument face to face with boehner on friday. >> one of the most frequent criticisms we've heard over the past few years from members on both side is that you haven't done enough to reach out and build relationships. are there concrete ways that you plan to approach your relationships with congress in the second term
. >> reporter: but john boehner has ball clubbed at that idea. it would take away his party's leverage in calf issues. >> there's a lot of issues on the table that need to be resolved. i laid out a reasonable framework where both parties can work together and i'm looking forward to meet at the white house on friday and begin that conversation. >> reporter: boehner and other top republicans have proposed eliminating deductions and loopholes that benefit the wealthy instead of...